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[Horror Queers] Gaying Up the Biggest Horror Franchise of the 90s with ‘Scream’!


Every month in Horror Queers, Joe and Hint deal with a horror movie with LGBTQ+ themes, a excessive camp quotient or each. For lifelong queer horror followers like us, there’s as a lot worth in critical discussions about illustration as there’s in studying a ridiculously foolish/enjoyable horror movie with a YAS KWEEN mentality. Simply know that at no level will we be getting Babashook.

***SPOILERS for Scream to comply with.***

Synopsis for Scream: A yr after the homicide of her mom, Sidney Prescott (Neve Campbell) is terrorized by a brand new killer, who targets her and her buddies utilizing horror movies as half of a lethal recreation.

Queer Facet: Billy (Skeet Ulrich) and Stu (Matthew Lillard) are secret homosexual lovers.


Completely satisfied New Yr, Hint! Jan 2019 marks our one yr anniversary of Horror Queers, which I can unequivocally say was one of my largest achievements of final yr. I’m so glad that you simply stated sure once I pitched you on this collection of articles and I’m particularly excited that we’re increasing this loopy journey into the podcasting realm beginning January 16!

Now that the thrilling information is out, let’s get right down to the process at hand: Wes Craven’s 1996 revisionist slasher Scream (aka “The Film The Reinvigorated The Slasher Subgenre – And Possibly Horror – In The 90s”).

I’ll cop to being so scared to debate this movie as our very first podcast matter as a result of it’s so close to and pricey to my coronary heart. I actually watched this movie EVERY.SINGLE.DAY for a month once I acquired it on VHS in 1997 so you may say that I related to it. To today I can recite almost each line from reminiscence and, whereas I do know that Gale Weathers (Courtney Cox) is actually your spirit animal, I’ll all the time have a mushy spot for Tatum Riley (Rose McGowan). With out hyperbole, I can truthfully say that Scream is actually one of my all-time favorite horror movies.

However let’s eschew the histrionics and get right down to brass tacks: Scream is a queer horror movie. Not solely is it written by style horror vet – and notable “out” homosexual man – Kevin Williamson, it options one of the most covert queer bro-mances of the 90s in the type of killers Billy and Stu. And no, we’re not truly reaching with this declare!

I’ll confess that I didn’t actually contemplate Scream something aside from an excellent horror film till a couple of years in the past. After Joshua Cross (of Toronto’s Queer Worry fame) scheduled it, I hopped on-line to perform a little research and certainly this remark has been made a number of occasions, most notably in the third chapter of Michael DeAngelis’ Studying the bromance: Homosocial relationships in movie and tv. The chapter, written by David Greven and entitled “Fears of a Millennial Masculinity: Scream’s Queer Killers”, identifies Billy and Stu as emblematic of each the shift in masculinity and the pervasive undercurrent of queer want in 90s movies. There’s a heavy dose of homoeroticism in the method that the pair work together all through the movie, and most notably in the climax, when Stu hangs off Billy and the pair stab one another with their phallic weapons (knives = penises for these in the again).

It will be straightforward to recommend that Stu, emboldened by Lillard’s exaggerated bodily and vocal efficiency, is the true queer character. Certainly his lack of motivation means that he goes alongside with the murders principally to appease Billy, his greatest good friend and the man that he’s in love with. However this additionally overlooks key identifiers about Billy: his unhealthy obsessive relationship with his mom’s love (Oedipal to say the least and really a lot a homosexual trope). Throw in his beauty costume styling akin to queer icon James Dean in Insurgent With out A Trigger and Billy’s Norman Bates reference when he outs himself as the killer to Sidney (Psycho tends to skew queer as a consequence of Norman’s relationship to his mom and since he’s performed by closeted – at the time – queer actor Anthony Perkins) and also you’ve received a litany of homosexual associations.

Greven’s chapter additionally positions Billy and Stu as the newest cinematic iteration of the notorious 1924 Leopold and Loeb case, through which two queer killers commit homicide to show that they’re sensible sufficient to get away with it. The infamous incident has been recreated on movie quite a few occasions, most notably as the inspiration for Alfred Hitchcock’s 1948 basic Rope.

Hint, what do you assume of Billy and Stu’s “relationship”? And what are another causes that Scream resonates with queer audiences in your thoughts?



Comfortable New Yr to you as properly, Joe! And joyful one-year anniversary! This previous yr has really been an journey and I’m honored that you simply selected me to hitch you on it. And sure, for any readers who glossed over your first paragraph: we’re increasing the Horror Queers collection into the podcasting medium! The primary three episodes will drop on Wednesday, January 16th, and we shall be releasing one episode each Wednesday after that. We hope you take pleasure in! Truly, I hope you simply take heed to it. Having fun with it’s secondary.

Shifting on to Scream, which is our 20th(!) article collectively: I share your nervousness in discussing this seminal movie. Not solely is it one of my favourite horror movies of all time, nevertheless it’s additionally simply so, so sacred to the style. It’s been mentioned to dying amongst critics and movie students alike, so hopefully, we’re in a position so as to add one thing new to the discourse. And if we don’t? Eh, who cares? At the least we get to speak about Scream.

I’m absolutely on board with your (and apparently many others’) interpretation of Billy and Stu as queer lovers. Studying the notorious third act stabbing sequence as their first time having intercourse with one another makes complete sense. The stabbing so clearly represents their painful virginal (anal) penetration. Even in the event you don’t learn it that approach (and to be clear: it’s completely high-quality in case you don’t), you possibly can’t deny that there’s some particular homoeroticism peppered all through their scenes collectively. Additionally, Stu enjoying with Randy (Jamie Kennedy)’s earlobe in the video retailer is just a little, nicely, homosexual. Straight guys: if I’m completely off the mark right here and that is one thing you love to do with one another, please right me in the feedback (or ship me pics).  

Billy and Stu aren’t the solely issues that contribute to Scream’s queer studying, nevertheless. There’s a cause you and I each join with and adore the two “bitchy” feminine characters in the movie. The queer group loves a great bitch, and each Gale Weathers and Tatum Riley match the invoice. Why is that, although? Why can we flock to bitchy feminine characters? I took to Twitter final month to seek out out and this was one of the extra impressed replies:

I additionally assume the mind, wit, and camp of the collection is interesting to the LGBTQ group as a result of these are character traits we needed to domesticate to get by very similar to protection mechanisms

— jamie grayson (@TheBabyGuyNYC) December 12, 2018

This reasoning completely tracks, at the least for me. I don’t think about myself a humorous individual (although I do aspire to speak identical to Kevin Williamson’s characters), however I’d wish to assume that I’ve developed a sure sense of witticism in my day by day vocabulary. This was developed after years of being picked on and being made enjoyable of for being effeminate, even earlier than I knew I used to be homosexual. You possibly can think about how crushed I used to be when, after years of defending myself to bullies and saying that I wasn’t homosexual, I noticed that I used to be. I hate being mistaken. Anyway, whenever you spend the bulk of your center faculty profession being made enjoyable of, you need to come up with methods to defend your self. For somebody like myself, who wasn’t a bodily fighter, I needed to battle again with phrases. Granted, I wasn’t good at it, so perhaps that’s why I join a lot with characters like Gale and Tatum. They embody the means I want I might have spoken to my bullies again in center faculty.

This concept bleeds over into the make-it-or-break-it problem that folks have with Scream: the meta-humor. Scream is a beloved piece of horror cinema, however it has its detractors, although I’ve discovered that people principally take situation with the wave of copycats that Scream impressed moderately than Scream itself. I keep that if they’ve an issue with these movies for ripping off a well-liked money cow (see: I Know What You Did Final Summer time, City Legend, Valentine), then those self same individuals also needs to have an issue with virtually each slasher film from the ‘80s, beginning with Friday the 13th, which everyone knows is a blatant rip-off of Halloween.

One has to marvel if Williamson’s affinity for quippy youngsters stems from his personal experiences from rising up as a queer adolescent in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s. That knowing, smart-ass, self-aware humor is a Williamson trademark, and though it hasn’t made its means into all of his work (notably TV collection like the dreadful The Following or the canceled-too-soon Stalker), it’s one thing he undoubtedly has a knack for and lots of members of the queer group flock to it. Why is that?

Joe, why do you assume the Scream franchise has amassed such a big queer following? Is it franchise-specific or has the slasher sub-genre as an entire earned that following, as nicely? And most significantly, do you assume Tatum’s face seems like Michael Jackson when her head is crushed by that storage door?



Oh pricey! I had by no means thought of that and now I’ll by no means be capable of take a look at the nice dummy work that KNB Results did on the movie in the similar method! (Although as a lot as I really like Tatum’s doggie-door demise, I’ll confess that I lean just a little extra in the direction of the waxy, tree-strung corpse of Drew Barrymore’s Casey from the opening sequence in phrases of spectacular physique work).

However again to the activity at hand! I feel one of the causes that Scream is so beloved by the homosexual group (do lesbians adore it as a lot as the homosexual boys? I’m not sure) is certainly as a result of of its verbal wit. There are completely some who don’t look after meta humour; I personally prefer it a terrific deal as a result of it validates my eager consideration as a horror fan when the movie makes an “inside baseball” reference that solely we horror followers will know. “Wes Carpenter”, you say? <wink>

To me, Scream negotiates that nice line between “meta” and “pandering to the audience” with smarts aplomb. I don’t discover Scream notably scary, however Williamson’s script is extremely savvy; it playfully mocks the conventions of the (sub)style, whereas nonetheless adhering to the anticipated slasher tropes. Different movies that try to do that are likely to fail as a result of they mistake a meta reference for a punchline, or they don’t know how you can stability the comedy and the horror points (horror comedies are notoriously robust to tug off). Williamson is aware of find out how to land a joke and craft a scare; his love and information of the style shines by means of in his references and his reverence.

At the finish of the day, Scream can also be only a actually well-made movie. The script spends sufficient time with its core forged to make you want them. The dialogue is memorable and it crackles in all of the proper bitchy methods (see: the toilet commentary from two random women who gown down Sidney’s issues utilizing Ricki Lake-speak). That is additionally Wes Craven working at the peak of his powers – a quick take heed to his audio commentary on the Blu reveals simply how tuned-in to crafting scares he was (from the choice of the opening’s nation residence for its giant expanse of home windows to his continuity observations about the killer’s footwear). Wes actually was one of the greats.

There’s one different cause that I feel that Scream has turn into a legendary movie: Ghostface. In the event you contemplate how synonymous the slasher subgenre is for its gaggle of ghouls, it’s all the time a bit of a shock that the roster of really iconic villains is as sparse as it’s. The killers of the “Big Three” franchises – Freddy, Michael and Jason – are nonetheless sitting fairly on prime, and whereas Chucky, Pinhead and Leatherface aren’t everybody’s cup of tea, they’re immediately recognizable. However who stands out from the second cycle of slashers (or, extra broadly, from this century of horror movies)? To me, there are solely two: Jigsaw…and Ghostface (no, Victor Crawley doesn’t make the reduce).

What distinguishes each Jigsaw and Ghostface is how verbal they’re (which – as we thought-about again in our Freddy’s Revenge publish from late final yr – can also be why Freddy tends to be a favorite of les gays). Whereas there’s undoubtedly one thing terrifying a few silent killer ala Michael & Jason, for my cash, a verbose killer has extra character.

Whereas Tobin Bell’s voice is memorable, Jigsaw isn’t an exceedingly enjoyable killer (his attraction arguably lies in the gory traps he concocts and I’d argue that his puppet is extra visually evocative than he’s). Ghostface, on the different hand, has all of it: along with a memorable look, his voice is playful, witty, sarcastic and, at occasions, even slightly attractive. As the first movie to introduce the character and his/their mannerisms, Scream immediately vaults into basic territory for followers (and gays) alike.

Hint, I’ve left you Scream’s excessively leggy field workplace efficiency, however what are your different key Scream take-aways? (We’ve barely even touched on its iconic opening sequence!) The place does the collection sit in the pantheon of slasher movie franchises for you? And, given the selection, who would you F/M/Okay on this first movie?


I don’t know what “inside baseball” means, however I’ll simply say that I agree with you as a result of it sounds proper.  Anyway, horror comedy just isn’t solely troublesome to tug off, however it’s also notoriously troublesome to promote to an viewers (simply take a look at the poor field workplace efficiency of Slither again in 2006). The truth that Scream was as profitable because it was is type of a miracle. In fact, Scream isn’t as a lot of a comedy as one thing like Slither or Drag Me to Hell, however the comedic points are undoubtedly there.

About that field workplace although: it’s slightly astounding how a lot of a hit Scream was, particularly contemplating that it opened 5 days earlier than Christmas in 1996. It earned $6.three million its opening weekend ($12.7 million with at this time’s ticket costs) in the #four spot, which isn’t nice for a movie with a $14 million finances. Scream ought to have flopped, nevertheless it didn’t. Regardless of by no means reaching the #1 spot, the movie stayed in the prime 10 for 9 weeks (by no means dropping greater than 30% from weekend-to-weekend) and, in the case of its second and third weekends, truly elevated its field workplace weekend grosses.

“Pandering” is such a terrific phrase to make use of, as a result of that’s the purpose why I’ve disliked so many current horror comedies like You May Be the Killer (my assessment) and Blood Fest (my evaluate). These are horror comedies that pander to the viewers and deal with us like we’re novices. YMBTK even stops the film lifeless to lecture us on what a Remaining Woman is. Like…actually? Blood Fest merely appears so proud of itself for having an expansive information of horror films that it’s unattractive and insulting. And it makes me actively hate these films (nicely, YMBTK is ok…Blood Fest is scorching rubbish). Scream by no means falls prey to these traps, and that may be a massive purpose why it really works so properly even in the present day. It treats its viewers like we’re semi-intelligent.

Finally, I feel individuals’s affinity for Scream boils right down to how a lot they like their killers to be quippy (although anybody who adores A Nightmare on Elm Road or the Youngster’s Play franchises however scoffs at Scream is instantly labeled a hypocrite in my eyes). The truth is that Ghostface isn’t even that quippy. He might be humorous (I’m a fan of the “I’m going to slit your eyelids in half so you don’t blink when I stab you in the face” line from Scream four); he’s extra of a menacing menace than the Freddy and Chucky we get in the later installments of their respective franchises. Ghost isn’t right here to fuck round, and that’s exactly what makes him scary (Nicely, he does fuck round a bit bit, however he doesn’t dilly dally). That being stated, I completely get why somebody would like the silent terror of Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees to Ghostface.

It’s fascinating that you simply don’t discover Scream scary, although. Whereas I don’t actually discover it scary anymore, it most undoubtedly frightened me once I first noticed it. The opening scene with Barrymore nonetheless manages to ship chills up my backbone. It clearly scared moviegoers, too, as the purchases of Caller ID tripled after Scream got here out. I do marvel, although: would Scream be as profitable as we speak if that opening scene have been totally different? Or if it had starred anybody aside from Barrymore (she was initially forged in the position of Sidney, in any case)? Positive, the relaxation of the movie doesn’t fairly reside as much as that impeccable opening sequence (which is a component of the cause why I discover Scream 2 to be the superior movie), however does it actually matter?

Scream 2

It will present my age, however Scream is the king of the slasher franchises for me. I am keen on the heavy-hitters like Halloween and A Nightmare on Elm Road. I discover the Friday the 13th franchise to be entertaining nevertheless it’s not “good.” Baby’s Play is implausible. The much less stated about Hellraiser and The Texas Chainsaw Bloodbath franchises the higher (I’m talking about the franchises as an entire, of course, not simply the unique movies).

Scream is a special beast, although. It simply works. It’s the most constant franchise, and even its weakest entry (that may be Scream three) is at the very least entertaining (I’ll minimize it some slack for being filmed in a post-Columbine world, therefore the lack of any true horror and gore).

I’m positive some commenters will assault me for this all of this franchise speak, however what can I say? I’m a toddler of the ‘90s.

The scary query is…do you assume the youngsters of the ‘00s will choose the Saw franchise as the king of the slasher franchises? I’d have an interest to seek out out.

Lastly, fuck, marry, kill? What are we…12? (However fuck Billy, marry Randy and kill Dewey, of course)

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